Curse

ss1986v2 · Jun 04, 2007, 10:53 AM // 10:53

anet gets around to "fixing" ps over two years into the game? yeah, thats gonna be a no.

you could remove ps from the game entirely and it wouldnt put a dent in botting. they will just be replaced with one of the many other tanking builds in gw (e/d tanks just to name one). so now you have caused a hit to pvp play for no reason, and botting is just as much of a problem. good call...

ryanryanryan0310 · Jun 04, 2007, 10:54 AM // 10:54

PS will not be nerf cause there's going to be alot of rage quitters, i mean alot of rage quitters. Mystic Regen will be move to Mysticism, which will make farming alittle harder.

TideSwayer · Jun 04, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by boko

please sort out your problem with farmers on your own and stop crying to Anet to nerf everything that you don't like.

Excuse me for starting a random topic. Why are you assuming I have a problem with farmers or farming or anything of that sort just because I started a thread about Protective Spirit? Why are you assuming I don't like Protective Spirit? I was just raising the question as to whether or not people thought it was overpowered and could use a hit.

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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

All this really comes down to, is someone is making more gold then you, and you are jealous. Get over it.

I don't see why you infer that. They are making more gold than me, with the same build, in the same areas? Does that even make sense?

Anyone else want to come here and attack my character, my guild, etc., but not the subject matter?

gone · Jun 04, 2007, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by ryanryanryan0310

Mystic Regen will be move to Mysticism, which will make farming alittle harder.

it won't make it any harder than it is, all it will do is make it so fewer spots are farmable. that is it (In the farm camp)

as far as PvP and mystic regen, there are plenty of counters, you just need to use them.

boko · Jun 04, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by TideSwayer

Excuse me for starting a random topic. Why are you assuming I have a problem with farmers or farming or anything of that sort just because I started a thread about Protective Spirit? Why are you assuming I don't like Protective Spirit? I was just raising the question as to whether or not people thought it was overpowered and could use a hit.

You are the one that told me that you have a problem with farming. Was that not what you wrote in the OP?

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Originally Posted by TideSwayer

Destruction of Protective Spirit as a farming tool is inevitable

One of these balance updates is going to bring the destruction of Protective Spirit as a farming tool. Let's face it - it's at the center of most farming builds nowadays (especially hard mode builds). Bots abuse it. Hell, even the abuse of it by the casual farmer is bad for the economy as a whole.

Hence, my phrase : "Go sort your problem with farming on your own.". Your post obviously lacks thoughts. You admitted that you don't know much about it in PvP. And so, you don't really know how overpowered/underpowered it is in reality. You are just assuming that it is overpowered from a farming point of view. In that same way, we can conclude that mending is overpowered!

And last thing we need is that ANet listens to a badly thought idea. So, excuse my harshness, but i prefer to shoot down your idea now that have to face it when Anet starts thinking about it. Lately, they been giving in way too easily to whiners.

-Loki- · Jun 04, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

Prot Spirit won't get nerfed because it's used in farming builds. It's been the same for how long? How many balances have gone by and it's not been touched? Quit being paranoid.

fenix · Jun 04, 2007, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Prot Spirit won't get nerfed because it's used in farming builds. It's been the same for how long? How many balances have gone by and it's not been touched? Quit being paranoid.

That isn't why it won't get nerfed. It won't get nerfed because it's an integral skill in PvP (in ALL forms of PvP).

TideSwayer · Jun 04, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by boko

You are the one that told me that you have a problem with farming. Was that not what you wrote in the OP?

I don't have a problem with farming. I said that I wouldn't be surprised if ANet decided to do something about Protective Spirit in some future skill balancing update, and brought up the question as to whether or not it should be changed for whatever reasons.

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Originally Posted by boko

Hence, my phrase : "Go sort your problem with farming on your own.". Your post obviously lacks thoughts. You admitted that you don't know much about it in PvP. And so, you don't really know how overpowered/underpowered it is in reality. You are just assuming that it is overpowered from a farming point of view. In that same way, we can conclude that mending is overpowered!

Which is why I started this thread wondering if a hit to PS from a farming POV (ie. some sort of change that leaves it fully intact for PvP play) would come sometime in the future.

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Originally Posted by boko

And last thing we need is that ANet listens to a badly thought idea. So, excuse my harshness, but i prefer to shoot down your idea now that have to face it when Anet starts thinking about it. Lately, they been giving in way too easily to whiners.

If it's truly overpowered from a farming point of view, and something is done about it, wouldn't this whole topic be justified? After all, that's the whole question I'm raising here. Not something I'm demanding to be done because I'm out of favor with PS or anything. You are correct in that maybe I shouldn't be giving ANet any funny ideas though. It's certainly not ruining my day if PS gets left alone. I was just wondering what people thought.

Miral · Jun 04, 2007, 11:24 AM // 11:24

I'd give protective spirit the same treatment I would give stoneflesh aura and mystic regeneration: make it an elite.

the_jos · Jun 04, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

I don't think PS is overpowered.
For PvP: it's an enchantment. Remove it or switch target.

PvE is a different story.
PS has good uses, specially in HM.
The 55 monk bots can be a problem, but randomizing spawns and putting some mesmers/necro's in the group solves this problem.

I think the skill is fine as it is and if A-net wants to solve the botting problem they should take more fundamental actions, like randomizing mobs.
The recent loot scale was also a good fundamental action.

Chieftain Heavyhand · Jun 04, 2007, 11:41 AM // 11:41

I know why don't we just shut the servers down that would stop the bots.

This bot hysteria is really getting old and quit silly.

Prices are sort of high on things but there is still farming to make some cash. I say some because the most harmful thing to my economy in game has been the nerfs Anet has dished out to stop bots. So why don't we just stop dicking around and shut the servers down. That way there will be no more bots. We can all just set around and wait for GW2 to come out and pray to the gods of games that the bots will not intrude on our peaceful utopia.

As I've said since the nerfs have started coming down the line to hinder boters. All any nerfs to stop bots do is hurt real players, the boters find new ways to exploit the game. Look at the latest attempt. Loot scaling has not stopped them if anything it has multiplied them.

If everyone would ignore them then they would go away. If no one would buy gold from them then they wouldn't be here. There is nothing Anet can do but continue to destroy the game for the gamers. The player community is the answer to the bot problem not Anet. If we stop using them (not that I've ever bought gold but you get the point) then they will have no reason to be here.

So drop the farmer hate, play the game, and ignore the bots.

Danax · Jun 04, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Yeah, Like I really want my survivor skill to be nerfed -_-

Go hard mode a 4 man area where Ele's and Rit's are without protective spirit on a hero monk, then hard mode again with protective spirit. Then tell them to nerf it.

This skill is being used for its intended use by me. I dont want it nerfed because of some farming factory abusing it.

gone · Jun 04, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

lol..

want to know what is even better?

GET RID OF SECONDARIES...of course the characters will then be boring, but it is "the final solution" that will be implemented in GW2.

remember folks, you read it here first.

Lonesamurai · Jun 04, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by flubber

lol..

want to know what is even better?

GET RID OF SECONDARIES...of course the characters will then be boring, but it is "the final solution" that will be implemented in GW2.

remember folks, you read it here first.

What the hell are you talking about?

Esprit · Jun 04, 2007, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Don't change the skill, change the enemies. Give them variable builds, and put one in rotation that deals with Enchantments or a build that has interrupts. If the AI was made "smarter" with different builds, so that aren't guaranteed a group with the same set of skills as your previous run, then that would be a better solution. It would not necessarily stop farming, but it would make it a little more annoying.

gone · Jun 04, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

What the hell are you talking about?

put your helmet on and get in the game....

if there are no secondaries there are tons, and I mean tons of balance issues solved.

being able to use so many secondaries is the bane of GW. it is a great thing for us players, but a nightmare for a dev team. see, anet devs bit off more than they could chew throwing out so many skills in a short time. now they can't seem to keep up with them. which is why we see soooooooooooo many nerf this nerf that threads.

Cebe · Jun 04, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by TideSwayer

Sooner or later ANet is really going to see the light and realize that the tool to stopping the bots is to stop the actual tool of the bots. Protective Spirit may not get the nerf hammer this time around (ie. with the forthcoming balance update), but you have to see the eventual writing on the wall for this skill. It's inevitable.

Anyone disagree?

You know, there is a way ANet could stop bots ( and consequently most farmers) by doing one thing. Not by nerfing spells...but by the addition of one skill. One skill to be used by all monsters:

Monster's Cunning
0 energy, 1/4 second cast, 1 second recharge
Target foe looses all enchantments. If enchantments are lost in this way target foe takes 55 damage.

At least this way PvP wont be affected...yet also PvE will be destroyed...just what ANet loves to do!

majoho · Jun 04, 2007, 12:33 PM // 12:33

Well as some have said it's pretty late in the games life to suddenly change, although I would be all for it being "target other ally"

But I'm more for adding random pop-up mobs in ALL area of the game that have enhancement removing skills.

zwei2stein · Jun 04, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34

Anyway, its simple:

If anet wanted to hurt 55hp builds, they had more than enough opportunities and tools. Remember griffon nerf?

All anet needed was to take Wind Rider (monster with perfect 55hp killer skills, and bonus they group with jungle trolls, so one grouping with other trolls wouldnt be unapropriate) and have it visit trolls.

Of anet wanted to only lower efectiveness, they can put ranger with spirit like natures renewall in there (trolls are kinda W/R anyway).

Adding monk with healing seed and some other good skills would seriously slow down most of farming.

Anet didnt do that. Why?

Narcism · Jun 04, 2007, 12:39 PM // 12:39

Just give it the same treatment as Spirit Bond.